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Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Szejdi - 21-02-2020

Hello players, exhausted players*, exhausted by the lack of changes players**

The reason that this thread is being posted here is rather sad than offensive towards the stuff of this server. I'm not trying to be a smartass who's only complaining about crap and  shit. I'm actually quite sad about the actual situation of the previous most unique MTA server - it's dying. More and more people are leaving, and there aren't many newcomers. Everyone with a pair of eyes can easily notice, that all of this is provoked by one simple reason - this server is simply boring. You can have fun grinding, but for a short time, same stands for having fun with liveries, dynos, drifts etc. etc. So, why aren't there any drastic changes?  I assume, it's because nobody is keen on donating his time into it. So what are we gonna do to make the creative and trustworthy people create actual good changes for us? We need to motivate them by donations. Here comes the total overhaul of premium feature.

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As you can see in the attachment, there are all of premium features at this moment. 
I've numbered them to later on describe the usefulness of every specific feature, add, delete, and suggest something new.

1. This feature used to be "somewhat" useful at the beginning of this server, when spotify, tidal, and even discord weren't such things. Now it's looking more like an another "point" to make the list of features longer. We are mostly going to focus on the quality, not quantity.
2. This shouldn't be a premium feature, every player should have a right to block messages on pms, not even all of them, but from specific players.
3. Useful, definitely a reason to buy premium.
4. If somebody cares about having multiple drivers on one account, let it be this way. 
5. 70% to  85% is okay, you still lose from a bad decision, but a little less.
6. 10% is an alright amount of boost for gaining RP and money, but definitely not something everyone is buying premium for.
7. More vinyl layers are always a good thing. Although, i'd add a feature that lets you at least delete those already put vinyls after premium expires. 
8. Also something that should stay, it's a good feature.
9. Every donating player should be known, it stays.
10. For hesitant people, but not bad.
11. Saves a couple of seconds/minutes, due to removing a magazine before every another magazine run.

12. So there they are, all of them. Now, it's time for some of my  and @sanderka suggestions. I've been playing there back then in 2016, she's got a nice time spent. We both definitely see some lacks and things that need more attention:
  • Increasing rewards from 10 up to 20%
  • No money penalties from being busted in PP
  • Gaining heat lever quicker, losing it more slowly(50% to 50%)
  • An ability to practice every map outside of races(including URL maps)
  • Better rewards for doing freerun duels(2x)
  • More money for collecting freerun money(2x)
  • Quick travel from one safe house to another
  • Being able to connect a dyno for a specific performance setup, and choose it along with changing the performance in real time. For exmaple, driving a 499 infernus, and changing it to 450 infernus in real time whilst standing near the starting URL. (This feature may cost some money, for example 100$ everytime, and have a time delay)
Now, if you even thought that these changes are kinda controversial, here comes the best part about it. Premium should cost less, and there should be more options for buying it.
How much less? Which options? Lets discuss that together.

13. At this moment you can buy premium via PayPal, or a credit card. As we know, not everyone is bound to a credit card. Imagine how many people would love to buy it and have its features, but they simply can't. Adding a paysafecard and sms system would definitely help.
14. 2€ for 7days and 7€ for 30days. It's a little too much. I mean, it may seem like a very stupid move to make all of these changes, and gain LESS than before them, but it's not. It's a very simple vicious circle. 

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A - More people donating a little less money for features that they'd love to be implemented
B - Server has an actual budget to make more and more changes 
C - Old players, newcomers are here to check everything out
D - Server is being played by hundreds of people everyday, at any time of day
A...


So here it is, plain and simple. Feel free to discuss in the comments section and vote in the pool!


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - sanderka - 21-02-2020

I hope that at least few points are possible. I think that as this is changed,this server will become more popular.


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Nabatse - 21-02-2020

The server is dying, that means the forum is as well. Posting this at this time maybe a little late i guess but hey better later than never.

I see what your point is with this kind of "upgrading premium" thing. To be honest i wouldn't support this idea (not because i'm greedy with my money or anything, just don't have the oppurtunity to donate as i'm not able to have neither a credit card nor paypal since i'm not at the proper age yet). The premium doesn't offer that much advantage atm, and for a specific reason. The devs doesn't want to make the server p2w.
Your points are great for an "upgrade", they don't make the premium option mandatory to enjoy the game, but (imo) that's not the problem.
But if we'd have all of this points next to the current ones i would say there wouldn't be any noticable difference in case of numbers of bought premium. (Again, in MY opinion. It could be wrong.)

Some of your points are interesting, others are understandable, let me share my opinion about them
-Increasing rewards from 10 up to 20%
A time trial on Three Cities gives you 550 RP with 450(?)$, with the current premium it gives 605 RP+495$, with the added bonus it'd give 660 RP+540$, even if it isn't that much plus, still a notable diff. (i would still rather farm the cops for the +~100 rp and $ but that just me) anyway, a + for this.

-No money penalties from being busted in PP
Unnecesary, you don't get that much penality for being busted, even on heat 6 with 1kk bounty, I disagree with this.

-Gaining heat lever quicker, losing it more slowly(50% to 50%)
This one is a lil bit interesting, i wouldn't add this feature because the heat level is depending on the player. I mean, for somebody (e.g. a new player, or for who dosn't like doing pursuits), it's a curse, for others it's a bless. Maybe it could be worthy but a bit risky. If you can turn this function off whenever you want that would be way better.

-An ability to practice every map outside of races(including URL maps)
From a new, or middle class player's perspective this function is pretty much useless, majority of them won't spend time just practicing the maps to master them instead of maxing a car or grinding rp/money to the next class, this only gives advantage to the old players. I have a mixed feelings about this because i think when we reward players for donating the server, we should consider all kinds of player's perspective, since not only old players will donate.

-Better rewards for doing freerun duels(2x)
I completely disagree with this one, it's good on paper. Better reward for 1v1 fight. But in this server almost 90% of the players uses the duel rewards as free rp. Every day, i mean every day there's is an a****** pm-ing me/typing on local chat "pls give me free", "pls free". I got sick of this. Almost nobody takes the duels serously in this server. This way we would give them more reasons to be like these kinds of jerks.

-More money for collecting freerun money(2x)
I think it's unnecesary, but that's only my opinion, i give a + for it anyway because it's a worthy one.

-Quick travel from one safe house to another
This should be a default option, not a premium one. it doesn't have that much use to be an "only premium" thing. Not "premium-ish" if you catch my drift.

-Being able to connect a dyno for a specific performance setup, and choose it along with changing the performance in real time. For exmaple, driving a 499 infernus, and changing it to 450 infernus in real time whilst standing near the starting URL. (This feature may cost some money, for example 100$ everytime, and have a time delay)
+ for this. Mainly supports the old players again, but the new ones can put it in good use the quick performance upgrade/change part.

If you may wonder I'm an old player, i maxed out all cars and experienced a lot in this server so far, so these aren't just blind guesses.
All in all, the points are good, i would see some of these for a premium update.


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Szejdi - 21-02-2020

Thanks for your opinion! I'll try to explain a bit more of what i was thinking about the new stuff.

(21-02-2020, 23:11)Nabatse Wrote: -No money penalties from being busted in PP
Unnecesary, you don't get that much penality for being busted, even on heat 6 with 1kk bounty, I disagree with this.

It may be unnecesary, but in my mind premium players should be rewarded in every way for making the server run. In my opinion they shouldn't be penalized for anything, including getting busted during a long pursuit.

(21-02-2020, 23:11)Nabatse Wrote: -Gaining heat lever quicker, losing it more slowly(50% to 50%)
This one is a lil bit interesting, i wouldn't add this feature because the heat level is depending on the player. I mean, for somebody (e.g. a new player, or for who dosn't like doing pursuits), it's a curse, for others it's a bless. Maybe it could be worthy but a bit risky. If you can turn this function off whenever you want that would be way better.

Same as above, premium users would be able to save some time, by gaining fast and losing slow. Just to explain, 50% to 50% means they would earn 50% quicker, and lose 50% slower.

(21-02-2020, 23:11)Nabatse Wrote: -An ability to practice every map outside of races(including URL maps)
From a new, or middle class player's perspective this function is pretty much useless, majority of them won't spend time just practicing the maps to master them instead of maxing a car or grinding rp/money to the next class, this only gives advantage to the old players. I have a mixed feelings about this because i think when we reward players for donating the server, we should consider all kinds of player's perspective, since not only old players will donate.

I understand your point, it's a waste of time to race without any rewards. From a new players perspective it may look as a bad feature too. In reality it gives a little bit of something to everyone. As i noticed, new players are kinda not that good at drifts, street crosses, drags, urls, as they are in circuits and sprints. It's a normal thing, most of nfs players are racers, street racers. This addiction would help them practice maps they sometimes can't find people to play with. There is also something for older players. Most of old players are competitive, they wouldn't lose their stats and ratios trying to beat the tops. They also would benefit from racing alone whenever they want, not waiting for a duo.

(21-02-2020, 23:11)Nabatse Wrote: -Better rewards for doing freerun duels(2x)
I completely disagree with this one, it's good on paper. Better reward for 1v1 fight. But in this server almost 90% of the players uses the duel rewards as free rp. Every day, i mean every day there's is an a****** pm-ing me/typing on local chat "pls give me free", "pls free". I got sick of this. Almost nobody takes the duels serously in this server. This way we would give them more reasons to be like these kinds of jerks.

I feel you on this one, tho i think there should be more visible benefits for purchasing it. Think of it that way, if all this thing gets running, there will be more players, more jerks, but also more moderators. I think the ratios will be much better than it is right now(1 moderator for like every 30 players).

(21-02-2020, 23:11)Nabatse Wrote: -More money for collecting freerun money(2x)
I think it's unnecesary, but that's only my opinion, i give a + for it anyway because it's a worthy one.

As i mentioned above, more visible benefits for donating. People need to be reminded of it.

(21-02-2020, 23:11)Nabatse Wrote: -Quick travel from one safe house to another
This should be a default option, not a premium one. it doesn't have that much use to be an "only premium" thing. Not "premium-ish" if you catch my drift.

Same stuff as with the pm blocking feature. It should be a default thing, not something to pay for. I added it just to make the list more interesting, i wouldn't be sad if this is going to be implemented for everyone.

Anyways, feel free to add something you consider useful as well. I'm looking forward for all points of view.


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Tekk - 22-02-2020

Appreciate the effort. It's really cool to see there's still people who cares about this project, the original idea of it, and with that don't want it to die. However, I can safely say that some of the things you specified are impossible to implement. I'll go through the list and try to explain why certain things are just not gonna work or simply would be impractical or too hard to make. Feel free to disagree.

(21-02-2020, 18:18)Szejdi Wrote: 1. Increasing rewards from 10 up to 20%
2. No money penalties from being busted in PP
3. Gaining heat lever quicker, losing it more slowly(50% to 50%)
4. An ability to practice every map outside of races(including URL maps)
5. Better rewards for doing freerun duels(2x)
6. More money for collecting freerun money(2x)
7. Quick travel from one safe house to another
8. Being able to connect a dyno for a specific performance setup, and choose it along with changing the performance in real time. For exmaple, driving a 499 infernus, and changing it to 450 infernus in real time whilst standing near the starting URL. (This feature may cost some money, for example 100$ everytime, and have a time delay)

1. There's already a +10% boost to RP and money coming from premium when it's activated. Making it +20% won't magically help the playerbase to grow. It would rather help players to build more cash with less effort. Building money on this server isn't even a hard thing to do, unless you're re-buying cars over and over, or switching visual parts multiple times a day. Just the freeroam activites alone can bring you about $4K (magazine, regular DH reward, freeroam cash) and I'm not even mentioning milestones and duels right now. QR rewards were boosted up to +70% last year, just ask people on Global to join.

2. This one would be possible to implement if the Pursuit mode wouldn't be so complicated to change. It was made by a person who works on another project now. It's the main reason why no one have touched pursuits in a long time. However, maybe the rewards alone can be changed. Worth to ask Quindo or Orbacle.

3. Gaining heat level is not hard, too. Just use the pursuit breakers to destroy cop waves. IIRC it's possible to reach level 4 or even 5 within 10 minutes. Losing it more slowly can hardly be considered beneficial in my opinion. Either way this change is not gonna bring the old players back, nor it's a feature that's important for the beginners.

4. An ability to practice outside races won't be implemented, ever. Multiple people asked for this, me included. Quindo told me it's not gonna help the current situation with races, and is going to kill the activity (races) even more. However, something that is possible to do for sure.

5. Better rewards for duels is a good idea. But it will also increase the amount of beggars. Though, I guess beggars not gonna buy premiums anyways so this change won't affect them. I think it should be good.

6. More money for picking up freeroam cash? Not needed. I already explained why just above. It's not something the absolute majority cares about. Some are just lazy to look around for it, even. And again, this ain't gonna change anything about the player activity. Old players won't go back because of this. They got most (if not all of the stuff) already unlocked, and there's nothing to spend these money on. Right now you can collect 15 pickups in total: 3 in each city and 2 in each countryside. The max amount of money in the end is $2550. That's a lot of cash per day for just driving in freeroam. The average time for collecting is 35~45 minutes. My personal best time was 23 min using A class.

7. This can be a good thing, but fairly recently Orby implemented a feature that allows people to use fast travel between airports. Again, not something that will make people stay for long. Let alone bring them back.

8. Simply not possible, probably due to the amount of time and effort that must be put into it, just to make it work correctly. Otherwise it would be already done. Sounds like a very useful feature, but there's only 2 people on the team who could possibly work on this, and there's already a whole lot of work to do. Highly unlikely you'll ever see this feature working here.

The problem with online is not related to money or RP. It's related to the lack of advertisement. If you wanna see more people playing here, it would be good if you'd spread the information among your friends, that this server even exist. MTA in general drops online every year and it's unlikely it will start growing, as there's new powerful PCs, new games and people getting burnt out.


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Dap - 25-02-2020

(22-02-2020, 03:01)Tekk Wrote: Appreciate the effort. It's really cool to see there's still people who cares about this project, the original idea of it, and with that don't want it to die. However, I can safely say that some of the things you specified are impossible to implement. I'll go through the list and try to explain why certain things are just not gonna work or simply would be impractical or too hard to make. Feel free to disagree.

(21-02-2020, 18:18)Szejdi Wrote: 1. Increasing rewards from 10 up to 20%
2. No money penalties from being busted in PP
3. Gaining heat lever quicker, losing it more slowly(50% to 50%)
4. An ability to practice every map outside of races(including URL maps)
5. Better rewards for doing freerun duels(2x)
6. More money for collecting freerun money(2x)
7. Quick travel from one safe house to another
8. Being able to connect a dyno for a specific performance setup, and choose it along with changing the performance in real time. For exmaple, driving a 499 infernus, and changing it to 450 infernus in real time whilst standing near the starting URL. (This feature may cost some money, for example 100$ everytime, and have a time delay)

1. There's already a +10% boost to RP and money coming from premium when it's activated. Making it +20% won't magically help the playerbase to grow. It would rather help players to build more cash with less effort. Building money on this server isn't even a hard thing to do, unless you're re-buying cars over and over, or switching visual parts multiple times a day. Just the freeroam activites alone can bring you about $4K (magazine, regular DH reward, freeroam cash) and I'm not even mentioning milestones and duels right now. QR rewards were boosted up to +70% last year, just ask people on Global to join.

This one i think you're right, and wrong at the same time, why? making it 20% will not increase the playerbase, but it will help people that really like the server and actually want to spend time and money on it enjoy it more because if you ask anyone if they enjoy racing for 25 minutes to get less than 1k in this game, they will say definetely no. (unless they have literally nothing else to do) so increasing it to 20 (which i think it's still way too low in my opinion it should be 50% more.) would make these situations better, it would make it more enjoyable and faster to get what you want and to do what you want, don't you think? I mean, I love this server but it would get so boring to get things that i would leave for ages like a year and the last one which was about 6 months because it was just so fucking boring to do anything that i didn't find a reason to even continue playing.

That's my opinion on the first one.


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Tekk - 25-02-2020

(25-02-2020, 02:11)Dap Wrote: This one i think you're right, and wrong at the same time, why? making it 20% will not increase the playerbase, but it will help people that really like the server and actually want to spend time and money on it enjoy it more because if you ask anyone if they enjoy racing for 25 minutes to get less than 1k in this game, they will say definetely no. (unless they have literally nothing else to do) so increasing it to 20 (which i think it's still way too low in my opinion it should be 50% more.) would make these situations better, it would make it more enjoyable and faster to get what you want and to do what you want, don't you think? I mean, I love this server but it would get so boring to get things that i would leave for ages like a year and the last one which was about 6 months because it was just so fucking boring to do anything that i didn't find a reason to even continue playing.

That's my opinion on the first one.

There is not much to do once you reached 270k of RP and got your first A class car. Unless you wanna start maxing every other car that's left. Worth to mention that most of these cars often aren't as good as the meta ones. What I'm trying to say, is that changing it to +20% would only make things more casual, and once those people got what they wanted, they probably won't stay for long and leave shortly after. My point is: casual =/= more enjoyable. By changing/boosting the rewards, be it a premium thing or a QR update or anything else, you're just giving people more money and RP for free, even for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th places. That's basically a free "Get Out of Jail" card for those who doesn't wanna bother with dynos and setups, or simply not skilled enough and don't want to progress. It's already got to the point where some guys don't even care anymore if they're gonna lose or win, as they're happy with what they're getting for the 2nd and 3rd places. I don't hear any more complains about the rewards anymore, (it was a thing 2 years ago), cause the rewards got boosted like twice since 2018.

Again, as I said, this change won't affect the amount of active players in a positive way (situation with races) nor will bring the old players back to the server. By taking away the challenge part, you won't make the races to be more popular. People will just get more money for even less racing. To get the old players back, you'll need something to get them busy with. To bring the new ones here, you just gotta advertise the project. Because there's GTA 5 now and Rockstar are shipping new content to it nearly every month. Anyone's barely interested in the old GTA games anymore. So the server situation won't magically fix itself. I guess I explained my point better this time. Anyways, that's just how I see the situation.


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - yokou - 25-02-2020

just give me back the fucking url rights


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - Remolit - 26-02-2020

Random premium things are definitely not something that will resurrect the server lol


RE: Either something happens or this server is going to die. - HanzoITS - 01-03-2020

Won't bother taking the shite serious, however, the thing here is not only the gameplay.

I won't take into account all you mentioned nor give an opinion, I just respect how much you tried to come up with a solution to rescue the server. Sometimes, it's better to cut with stretching the gum all the way until it tears.

From my standpoint, for the entire period I've been in this project, the only thing that kept me playing is the community. Not the gameplay, I'm a casual gamer, I wholeheartedly don't stand farming or grinding. All the events, roleplays, fun I had with my fellow Russian community at the very beginning and the foreigner players at the twilight of my presence. Mateys, that kept this server active - they died out. Skadryl, deadboy, KomuH, benc and every abnormal rule-breaker. Someone placed real life at the first place, so did I. I won't consider myself as one of these Legends, but I had my own role in the community for the time being. Sure, no newcomer know about me or KomuH, unless they've watched videos me and Komu uploaded to our channels.

I do feel sad for the project. Still, I'm now looking at it and (next lines might appear to be biased) a picture of a dead corpse covered with germs and parasytes materialize in front of my eyes. Server is eating itself dead. In addition, I haven't played there for quite a while, so I have no clue of what's the real situation out there.

Mostly, they have all the party going at the Discord channel, so you might have went there before you spent a healthy eternity writing this thread. But wait, I have no idea whether the Discord server isn't alive nor all the adequateness among community just vanished. So yeah, better handle that on your own.

Oh, since when the Discord channel is Offline?