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Ban Joysticks or Riot

Napisany przez RaiYou, 10-06-2018, 21:02


Ban Joysticks or Riot

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#31
(11-06-2018, 00:07)MatthewChow Wrote: Waw, this is a freaking stupid argument...
Well, people that know more than me are already stating good points, so, I got nothing of worth to add.
I'd be just repeating things at this point, but I will indeed repeat one thing, which is: Buy a gamepad if you want and stop whining about... I don't even know. There's really no case here.

That's the thing, I don't want to change my playstyle just to have same results as the others, I want to be able to keep to them with my own playstyle.
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(11-06-2018, 00:06)RaiYou Wrote: Of course "Banning" is a joke, actually my suggestion would be force the server to disable the joystick settings, making the controller have the standard settings making it work just like the keyboard, simple as that, this way you will be able to keep playing on joystick, but no unfairness to keyboard users.
Wait, what?! Then why didn't you mention that in the first place?!
That is an whole other subject.

But my opinion is still no regardless, I mean, it's a step back. If keyboard users are capable of beating joystick users in races anyway, then nothing needs fixing and it's not worth it to give away analog control for literally nothing useful. There are other much more severe problems and unfairness in the game, go solve those first! Do changes to URL, don't cripple basic gameplay!
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Also btw, we need to work twice as hard as joysticks top timers to get near they time, see akamataa's street-X top times for example, the gap between some times is stupid.
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(11-06-2018, 00:02)RaiYou Wrote:
(10-06-2018, 23:32)Nick33BC Wrote: You want your way of playing to be the best way, And i can understand that. I like a fair playing field. Even though keyboard users are setting top times and winning urls right now. But with your logic of equipment that gives you a advantage can be aplied elsewhere with the same reasoning. With that logic, Why don't we change the fps limit to 15? Then less people get a advantage of having a better computer. Having a good fps is unfair to people who don't have good computers. So limit it to 15 or maybe even 10fps. So it's even. You see where i am going with this?

Controller is very difficult to learn and keyboard users still set #1 top times and win urls all day. If you think you will do better with a controller why don't you just buy a controller. If you don't like a controller then that's your choice. But i can't play games on keyboard and mouse because my back hurts when i lean forward to use my mouse and keyboard for too long. So you will be losing me and many other players if you lose controller compatibilty as well.

I don't want to have a "best way" to play, I want fairness thats all. And I suggested the fps limit a while back when the fps exploit was up, but everyone was crying about it so yeah.

Saying you want fairness is not much of a argument either. Because it would also be completely fair for everyone if you banned keyboard and made it only controller. So that argument is meaningless. And having left and right steering not being analog on a controller would be hell. The directional buttons suck. Keyboard users are already beating controller users. All this will do is make less people want to play.
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(11-06-2018, 00:17)Nick33BC Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 00:02)RaiYou Wrote:
(10-06-2018, 23:32)Nick33BC Wrote: You want your way of playing to be the best way, And i can understand that. I like a fair playing field. Even though keyboard users are setting top times and winning urls right now. But with your logic of equipment that gives you a advantage can be aplied elsewhere with the same reasoning. With that logic, Why don't we change the fps limit to 15? Then less people get a advantage of having a better computer. Having a good fps is unfair to people who don't have good computers. So limit it to 15 or maybe even 10fps. So it's even. You see where i am going with this?

Controller is very difficult to learn and keyboard users still set #1 top times and win urls all day. If you think you will do better with a controller why don't you just buy a controller. If you don't like a controller then that's your choice. But i can't play games on keyboard and mouse because my back hurts when i lean forward to use my mouse and keyboard for too long. So you will be losing me and many other players if you lose controller compatibilty as well.

I don't want to have a "best way" to play, I want fairness thats all. And I suggested the fps limit a while back when the fps exploit was up, but everyone was crying about it so yeah.

Saying you want fairness is not much of a argument either. Because it would also be completely fair for everyone if you banned keyboard and made it only controller. So that argument is meaningless. And having left and right steering not being analog on a controller would be hell. The directional buttons suck. Keyboard users are already beating controller users. All this will do is make less people want to play.

The difference is that there are much more keyboard players than joystick ones, and the controller thingy act just like micro exploits where keyboard can't do that.
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(11-06-2018, 00:12)RaiYou Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 00:07)MatthewChow Wrote: Waw, this is a freaking stupid argument...
Well, people that know more than me are already stating good points, so, I got nothing of worth to add.
I'd be just repeating things at this point, but I will indeed repeat one thing, which is: Buy a gamepad if you want and stop whining about... I don't even know. There's really no case here.

That's the thing, I don't want to change my playstyle just to have same results as the others, I want to be able to keep to them with my own playstyle.

I didn't want to buy a mouse pad and get a good mouse just to be as good as other people on csgo. But oh wait i did anyway. Because it's part of csgo. Once again your argument is failing. With this logic you could say "I want to be able to keep up to them with my own playstyle and that playstyle is playing with a midi drum kit!" But once again, Keyboard players are still winning all the time anyway. And keyboard players can easily use exploits that controller can't use. I know how to make a argument. And i know alot more about game design then you might think. You are going to make other peoples experience worse so yours is better. Even though keyboard is better at fwd cars and you have the ability to use keyboard sometimes and controller at other times.

You want to make a change that makes the game SLIGHTLY more fair and makes the game less enjoyable for others, While most of the community does not even know how to use the dyno. A better tutorial system and dyno help in game would be a million times more helpful in making the game more fair for players. The car scores are unbalanced for score limits, There's op cars, And new players have no idea what they are doing when they start off. But you know, That stuff does not matter, What is most important is the SLIGHT advantage for controller users(IN SOME SITUATIONS but not all), Even though many of the fastest players use keyboard anyway!
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(11-06-2018, 00:40)Nick33BC Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 00:12)RaiYou Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 00:07)MatthewChow Wrote: Waw, this is a freaking stupid argument...
Well, people that know more than me are already stating good points, so, I got nothing of worth to add.
I'd be just repeating things at this point, but I will indeed repeat one thing, which is: Buy a gamepad if you want and stop whining about... I don't even know. There's really no case here.

That's the thing, I don't want to change my playstyle just to have same results as the others, I want to be able to keep to them with my own playstyle.

I didn't want to buy a mouse pad and get a good mouse just to be as good as other people on csgo. But oh wait i did anyway. Because it's part of csgo. Once again your argument is failing. With this logic you could say "I want to be able to keep up to them with my own playstyle and that playstyle is playing with a midi drum kit!" But once again, Keyboard players are still winning all the time anyway. And keyboard players can easily use exploits that controller can't use. I know how to make a argument. And i know alot more about game design then you might think. You are going to make other peoples experience worse so yours is better. Even though keyboard is better at fwd cars and you have the ability to use keyboard sometimes and controller at other times.

You want to make a change that makes the game SLIGHTLY more fair and makes the game less enjoyable for others, While most of the community does not even know how to use the dyno. A better tutorial system and dyno help in game would be a million times more helpful in making the game more fair for players. The car scores are unbalanced for score limits, There's op cars, And new players have no idea what they are doing when they start off. But you know, That stuff does not matter, What is most important is the SLIGHT advantage for controller users(IN SOME SITUATIONS but not all), Even though many of the fastest players use keyboard anyway!
Eh anyways, I already made my point and said the joystick problems, what will be done next is up to the staff.
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(11-06-2018, 01:03)RaiYou Wrote: Eh anyways, I already made my point and said the joystick problems, what will be done next is up to the staff.

Alright, I will put this like as if i was presenting it to a judge then.
RaiYou you have made a bunch of "memes" that jokingly allude to saying that controller users are stupid and that using a analog controller will make it easy for even people who suck to win. Which is moderately insulting and of course RaiYou admitted to them being wrong.
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RaiYou lied to people saying that there is no exploits on keyboard. Saying that only controller is the problem. Which he either said as a lie to get people against controllers or he does not know information that a SMod should know. Either way is bad.
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Tapping works on keyboard and tapping is actually much harder to do on analog.

So why are they saying such nonsense? It would make sense that they are saying it to get people against controllers. But they might have just never tried controllers and assume that people are using bugs and blaming controllers. Which is very unprofessional and bad for a SMod to be doing either way.

So first off, He has been telling people false information. Tapping is not a controller thing. It works on both keyboard and controller, And keyboard is much easier to use the bug on. So that is one part of his argument disproved.

RaiYou made the argument "while using a controller, the grip/traction value also messes with the car acceleration, so on joysticks you accelerate faster, it's actually not very noticable, but in turn after turn, you see very explicitly how faster you go around corners because of that,"
Having more grip when using half throttle is not a bug, When you have less engine upgrades and you accelerate you also have more grip. That is a game mechanic, Less power on rwd = less wheel spin and more traction.

He made the argument that GTA SA is mean't to be played on Keyboard. But GTA SA was designed for Gamepad. NFS was designed for gamepad. And this is a NFS SA game. Saying this is PC therefor it should be Keyboard only is silly. And he was spreading false information about how you can exploit easily with a gamepad, so now that we know he was wrong about that, his argument about fairness now has much less meaning.

RaiYou said he wants his playstyle to be just as good as everyone elses and he does not want to change to be better. And if he can argue that, Then i want to be able to play using mouse to steer and i need to be able to be as fast as anyone else in every situation. (Unreasonable)

I can dig deeper into this if you like, But i shouldn't need to. He spread wrong information, Made some insulting memes and tried to say normal game mechanics are exploits. I rest my case.
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(11-06-2018, 02:17)Nick33BC Wrote:
(11-06-2018, 01:03)RaiYou Wrote: Eh anyways, I already made my point and said the joystick problems, what will be done next is up to the staff.

Alright, I will put this like as if i was presenting it to a judge then.
RaiYou you have made a bunch of "memes" that jokingly allude to saying that controller users are stupid and that using a analog controller will make it easy for even people who suck to win. Which is moderately insulting and of course RaiYou admitted to them being wrong.
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RaiYou lied to people saying that there is no exploits on keyboard. Saying that only controller is the problem. Which he either said as a lie to get people against controllers or he does not know information that a SMod should know. Either way is bad.
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Tapping works on keyboard and tapping is actually much harder to do on analog.

So why are they saying such nonsense? It would make sense that they are saying it to get people against controllers. But they might have just never tried controllers and assume that people are using bugs and blaming controllers. Which is very unprofessional and bad for a SMod to be doing either way.

So first off, He has been telling people false information. Tapping is not a controller thing. It works on both keyboard and controller, And keyboard is much easier to use the bug on. So that is one part of his argument disproved.

RaiYou made the argument "while using a controller, the grip/traction value also messes with the car acceleration, so on joysticks you accelerate faster, it's actually not very noticable, but in turn after turn, you see very explicitly how faster you go around corners because of that,"
Having more grip when using half throttle is not a bug, When you have less engine upgrades and you accelerate you also have more grip. That is a game mechanic, Less power on rwd = less wheel spin and more traction.

He made the argument that GTA SA is mean't to be played on Keyboard. But GTA SA was designed for Gamepad. NFS was designed for gamepad. And this is a NFS SA game. Saying this is PC therefor it should be Keyboard only is silly. And he was spreading false information about how you can exploit easily with a gamepad, so now that we know he was wrong about that, his argument about fairness now has much less meaning.

RaiYou said he wants his playstyle to be just as good as everyone elses and he does not want to change to be better. And if he can argue that, Then i want to be able to play using mouse to steer and i need to be able to be as fast as anyone else in every situation. (Unreasonable)

I can dig deeper into this if you like, But i shouldn't need to. He spread wrong information, Made some insulting memes and tried to say normal game mechanics are exploits. I rest my case.

...I shouldn't even be wasting my time answearing this but lets go...
I never said, even ONCE that who uses joystick sucks. I actually said TWO TIMES that joystick users didn't suck, that joystick takes skill.
I NEVER said that tapping is a joystick only thing.
I didn't lied to people saying that keyboard has no exploit, I said some who are fixed on keyboard still works with a joystick.


I "apologize" for the memes, if this simple thing really bothers you. It was supposed to be a joke. Or you can say, a meme. Something that isn't supposed to be taken seriously.

I did inumerous tests back when I had access to the dev server, I was the one who discovered the fps abuse exploit, and thanks to me it's now fixed.

I NEVER SAID that this game was supposed to be keyboard only, I said that if is a pc game then it SHOULD be played with pc things, joysticks still a option though.

My information isn't false, all I said are features of a joystick anyone with a brain can play themselves and notice the differences.

And I'm too lazy to argue with the other things you said. It just looks like you're trying to make me look dumb or something, calling me a stupid moderator actually, if you're that butthurt about me complaining about joysticks, in First place, please, pay attention to what I say, then we can discuss. And stop making false accusations about me, I know I'm not the best mod out there, but I don't need this type of treatment.

What I tried to say here is, joystick have advantages and thats a fact and when applyed correctly it gets unfair for keyboard, thats all.
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Aaaaaa and I never said who uses joysticks are exploiters ffs, I said that joystick has some features that are impossible in keyboard, GOD...
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